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Ricky Gervais is standing in front of me, looking perfectly normal, talking about the cold snap. Suddenly he breaks into his famous David Brent “chicken” dance – arms wheeling, knees doing that weird side-bend, face in a strained rictus that shows his canines.
We are in his office. All right – it’s a Hampstead office, north London, but we could so easily be in Slough. For a mad moment I think of recording the dance on my mobile phone. The personal kudos (particularly from my kids) to be gained from such a clip flashes through my mind. Fortunately I come to my senses. Gervais would loathe me for doing it; he would think I was treating him like a “celebrity”; he might even think I was “papping” him. He hates all that sort of stuff.
He does tend to break into his dance at the drop of a hat – most famously at the Concert for Diana at Wembley last year when, alarmingly, he appeared to dry up before an estimated worldwide audience of two billion. Without any jokes at his disposal, Gervais had no option but to resort to Brent’s most embarrassing moment. The critics were unimpressed, one even declaring that this was the last we would ever see of Ricky Gervais.
So, Ricky: was that Wembley gig the worst moment of your life? “Well, I was only meant to go on and introduce Elton John,” Gervais says. “Then this woman showed me a sign saying ‘Four minutes’. So I did the dance. I found out later that there had been a little problem with Elton John. Apparently, he wasn’t happy that a song of his had to be cut. There was a bit of a disagreement backstage.”
In other words, Elton was the problem but it was poor old Ricky who looked like the twerp? “Yes,” says Gervais, with a canine-flashing giggle. But he hasn’t lost much sleep over the suggestion that it was a career-ending performance. “Four minutes? The end of my career? It’s ludicrous. I think I’ll be remembered for The Office and Extras and whatever films I do before being remembered for going: oops, Elton John’s not quite ready. End of my career,” he repeats. “As if.”
Yet he’s all too aware that comedy can go disastrously wrong. After all, look at his good friend Jonathan Ross, who has had to endure lashings of national loathing over the past week, not to mention the loss of an estimated £1.5m after being suspended by the BBC for three months.
“Comedy is all about context,” says Gervais. And the context of Ross and Rus-sell Brand’s messages on the answerphone of the actor Andrew Sachs? “Jonathan’s joke was not a good joke. It was two minutes of misjudgment and they know they did wrong. But Jonathan is a friend and I will stand by him.”
Has he spoken to him since the furore broke? “Yes, of course I have. Privately, several times. He is very sorry. The trouble was that Andrew Sachs isn’t a fictional character. There was a real person at the end of that answerphone and it was a childish gag. It wasn’t a good joke – but come on, enough is enough. [Jonathan] is not a mass-murderer.
“I think it was the fact that it was broadcast which caused the moral outrage and that wasn’t his fault. He is so sorry. He did a bad joke. It’s become personal now; people are camping out on his lawn and baying for his blood. But no one died.”
Has Gervais – whose comedy is routinely described as “taboo-crunching” – ever come similarly unstuck? “I never let my conscience take a day off. I can justify every joke I have ever done, every joke which has been described as ‘taboo-crunch-ing’, every joke where the target is how the joke is perceived,” he says.
“In retrospect my first show, The 11 O’Clock Show, should have had more nods and winks so people knew it was satire, but there’s only so much you can do. Comedy comes from a good place or a bad place. A joke can be justified – or not justified.”
Gervais, at 47, is our most garlanded comic with seven Baftas, two Emmys and three Golden Globes. He is the man who seemed to come from nowhere to make The Office, the darkest and most perfect television sitcom in decades. With Extras, his second offering, he managed the seemingly impossible feat of satirising the modern obsession with fame while becoming extremely famous himself.
If there is anyone in the entertainment business who shepherds his career more closely, I would like to meet him. Everything Gervais does is superbly controlled: “I have never sworn by mistake. In any broadcast, ever.” Compared with the slapdash Brand and the garrulous Ross, Gervais gives the impression that he has a career ladder lodged in his head and knows exactly on which rung he is standing.
He is completely candid about the prime position that work holds in his life. He and his girlfriend (Jane Fallon, the television producer and writer whom he met at college) decided not to have children as a “life-style choice”, he says, because “we wanted to work on our careers”. And he readily admits to being a control freak who does nothing if he is not convinced that he can wholly own it. Cameo roles, such as the one he played in the film Night at the Museum, are done only as favours to mates.
“I create my own labour,” says Gervais. “I don’t look for work. I have never looked for work. I get sent two scripts a day; I never read them. I don’t do handcuff deals. I’m not an actor for hire.” He is quite affable about his control freakery. If you don’t want to play it his way, no problem: he’ll just walk away.
“My first thing was The 11 O’Clock Show [a Channel 4 comedy]. I said I’d do it if I could write my own piece. They said okay.” This was 1999. Since then he has done nothing that he has not personally created. Even his film cameos are all ad-libbed, he tells me, and he rewrote his own starring role in the new Hollywood rom-com Ghost Town.
His social life is similarly controlled: he has six friends, mates he has known for more than a decade, and says that’s enough. “I don’t have ‘people’ who arrange my diary. I am my ‘people’,” he says wryly. Typically, by six in the evening he will be in his pyjamas, ready for a night in front of the telly. Going out bores him. Particularly if there are snappers around.
“I don’t hang out with Samuel Jackson and Kate Winslet,” he says. “I don’t court people. I don’t schmooze. I avoid everything. I don’t go to talent functions or go on reality shows. I don’t go to things I can get in free to. I don’t move in celebrity circles.”
Which may seem a bit odd to those of us who have seen Gervais appearing no fewer than eight times on his pal Ross’s show, being extremely personable and seeming to revel in the heady air of celebrity. Maybe he’s just doing a favour to a mate. But most such appearances are specifically because Gervais has a project to punt. If he has made something, he is ever-willing to market it. Indeed, our meeting is in honour the release of the Extras Special box set as well as his headlining part in Ghost Town.
So, yes, Gervais will occasionally fling off the pyjamas to go to premieres, as long as they are for his own films, and he will go to award ceremonies, as long as he has a gong to pick up. Is this outrageous arrogance or the dutiful completion of an honest job? The fact that the question can even be posed is part of what makes him such an interesting “celebrity”.
Although, of course, he loathes the term: “I’ve never understood it. I’ve never understood the appeal of fame. I’m fascinated by people who think it’s a short cut to happiness, or acceptance, or respect.”
Yet Extras, the series in which he plays hapless wannabe Andy Millman – surrounded by a glittering cast including Robert De Niro, George Michael and Winslet – certainly acknowledged the hot currency of fame.
“There is a big difference between Robert De Niro and someone in X Factor,” says Gervais cheerily. “There is nothing wrong with X Factor, but someone who lives their life like an open wound has nothing in common with Robert De Niro, a very talented actor. And they shouldn’t be lumped in together. A celebrity is someone who is well known . . . for being well known.”
It was when he picked up his first comedy gong, he says, that he crossed over into the world of the mainstream celeb. “What made me famous wasn’t The Office. It was probably the award ceremonies. Because when the papers say you are successful, that’s when people say: yes, you are. I mean, you see a newsreader every day of your life on television, but you don’t think: there’s a famous person,” he adds (casually squashing the imagined status of dozens of newsreaders).
His own response to celebdom has been to assume what he calls “faux arrogance” – as when he received an award and promptly congratulated the Bafta judges on their excellent choice of winner. “It makes me feel sick,” he says, “to see someone going up there and going, ‘What, me? Oooooh’ [he fakes a starlet going into faux raptures of surprise over an award]. And I didn’t want to do that. So I got up there and went: yep, they got it right.”
Does he mind when people take him at face value and slag him off for being a big-head? It seems not: “I don’t object to people not liking what I do. I don’t care what people say. A bad review doesn’t annoy me at all; sometimes it’s a bit of a relief.”
What does annoy him beyond measure, even more than people who take photographs of him jogging, is people who get the facts wrong. He went to the Ivy recently and a woman on a neighbouring table watched what he ate and then rang The Independent with some of the details. “I ate a fruit salad, which was true, but I had it with ice-cream. And deep-fried scampi.” says Gervais. Leaving out the high-calorie stuff, you see, had given the resultant piece a nasty spin, namely: “Ricky is trying to lose weight for his Hollywood career.”
Which incensed him. He couldn’t care less about the implication that he needs to slim, though. “I am fat,” he says matter-of-factly. I inspect the Gervais frame, clad as usual in black T-shirt and jeans. Well, there’s a bit of a tummy but you aren’t exactly obese, I say. He shrugs. “I don’t care if someone says I am fat and unfunny. Opinion,” he says, exactly as Brent might say it. “But if someone says I am fat and unfunny and kick dogs, I’ll go: no, I don’t kick dogs. That’s what annoys me.”
What strikes me is that there is no pretence about Gervais. When he and his co-writer Stephen Merchant first pitched the idea of The Office to a BBC executive, neither of them had any track record. The executive was quite interested and told them that there were a couple of directors who might be willing to take the job on – at which point Gervais said that the BBC could forget all about that suggestion since a) he was going to direct it, b) he would be starring in it and c) if the BBC didn’t like that arrangement, it could lump it.
As he points out now, what’s the point of having an Airfix kit if you aren’t going to build the whole aeroplane?
“I just thought, where’s the fun?” says Gervais. “I didn’t want to make TV for the sake of it. We wanted to make something which would last. I always wanted to be a bit more . . . special. Maybe it was because I came to it older.”
At that point he was already 38 and had a few careers under his belt, including a stint as a 1980s pop singer and a university receptionist. If The Office hadn’t taken off, would he have despaired?
“I worked in an office. I enjoyed it. I wasn’t sitting around thinking: this is shit, I’ve got to be famous,” says Gervais. “I wanted to be a research scientist, actually. I would have loved to have found a cure for Aids. I wouldn’t have been famous, but I would have had people say: you’ve done a good job there.
“You want to be accepted in your circle and respected by your peers and you want to do a good job.”
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Ricky Gervais, is about as funny, as AIDS.
Geoff Stringer, Southend-on-Sea, ENGLAND
I have had the pleasure of videoing Ricky and Steve twice for corporate videos, the easiest jobs I've had. If Ricky is such a control freak, why was he happy to let us edit them? He does have a certain Ricky style which is evident in Ghost Town. He's intelligent, funny, original, as good as it gets
Richard Foxton, Ilfracombe, Devon, England
He makes me want to throw a brick through my TV
whitey, sydney,
The Podcasts were poor, like anaethetised Derek and Clive tapes.
I did think that "Extras" was superb.
Baz Torr, Middlesbro, Cleveland
One trick pony. Did he ever leave the office?
Cam., Lincs.,
Listen to the Podcasts and the XFM shows and it is evdident that- without any sort of forward planning or scripting-he and Steven Merchant are capable of extrating comedic genius with from the strangest of places -Karl Pilkington's mind- with only a small amount of robust squeezing.
Rish, Birmingham, England
I prefer Jasper Carrot, his monologues are good.
David Hunter, Stockholm,
ricky gervais and larry david rock! they r a the funniest smartest guys!!!!
vera yuño, buenos aires, argentina
Very funny man but the king of British comedy is Lee Evans in my opinion. Don't know if you can compare the two really but Lee Evans is definately the better stand up and is also singer, song writer, musician and very good actor.. the best :)
Daniel Amba, Derby, England
Ricky is brilliant, such a great antidote to the regular celeb/wannabee who is so insincere and shallow. Ricky is great at award ceremonies. And let's not forget Steve Merchant, absolutely brilliant in Extras with Barry from Eastenders. Keep it up Ricky.
Tom, Oxford, UK
I love Ricky Gervais. He has a real life-affirming quality about his personality. More British made sitcoms please! Keep it up Ricky!
S, London, UK
ricky gervais is funny, very funny. but he's no eddie izzard.
judy edelstein, new york, u.s.a.
"Gervais could care less"
That is an Americanism for "could not care less". Of course it makes no sense, as is normal when Americans are using the English language.
Mike, Katikati, New Zealand
I knew Ricky and Jane at UCL . He was a mate. He was impossibly funny and genuine and exhausting to be around. What's great about having known Ricky is that the interview persona you read about is 100% accurate.
Ricky , keep it up. Truly, deeply funny man.
bob Gronland, bishops stortford, UK
I don't own a TV, but still pay the licence fee (of course, too hard to avoid!) and find that all the best programs, make themselves known, and I download and watch them. The Office was one I downloaded after reading so much about it, and it was sure worth the effort. 110% Keep it up.
David, Liverpool,
The Office is the single best piece of television comedy to come out of Britain in decades. Gervais is a great talent.
Jasper Reed-Spencer, London, England
I'm not a particular fan, but he seems like a nice enough chap. The Office fell at a period when I was nowhere near a TV and so I may have missed his best work.
It does seem that having been around real people has given him the ability to know the difference between observational comedy and abuse.
Pedro Conejo, Puerto Cabras, Spain
I love Ricky. I know it's been said many times before but The Office is a work of genius and his Podcasts have me crying with laughter. Keep it up Ricky.
Sarah, Oakville ON, Canada
Mr Joe Harris, you do make me laugh. Spot on.
Ed, Johannesburg, South Africa
Sorry, but I think he's a classic case of Emperor's New Clothes. All the sycophantic luvvies tell us how talented and wonderful he is but I have never seen anything to back it up.
Whatever brand of comedy you like, as he seems to try and fit all of them, there is someone ten times better.
Martin, Leeds, UK
In my opinion he is the best comic in years with something that many dont have these days - principles. Well done Ricky, we are proud of you!
Barry, Leeds, UK
Good one there John! Maybe you should take Ricky's place!
Joe Harris, London,
Ricky Gervais is certainly talented but I wish he didn't feel he has to justify every single joke he's ever told. Comedy may be a serious business to some, however many of us just like a funny story and don't need it analysed in fine detail in case someone somewhere may be offended.
Steve, Glasgow,
RG seems like an affable, genuine chap.
Jeff Hunt, Cockfosters, England
R.U.G - Ricky 'Unfunny' Gervais
John, London,
I can't see the appeal aside from being the novelty British person in random American movies.
Alex, London,