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An estimated 18,000 police officers marched from Park Lane to the House of Commons today in protest over their rate of pay.
The officers arrived in London this morning on scores of coaches from around the UK, dressed in civilian clothes and wearing white baseball caps that demanded “Fair pay for police”.
While the protestors were bearing down on Westminster, Gordon Brown told MPs: “There has been a 39 per cent rise in police pay over the last 10 years.
“I would like to have given the police more, I would like to have given the nurses more, I would like to have given those public sector workers who found there wages staged more.
“But if pay rises are wiped out by ever-rising inflation then no benefit goes to either the police or to anybody who receives these benefits.”
The pay dispute arose after Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, refused to backdate a 2.5 per cent pay rise agreed by an independent arbitration panel. The Federation argue that the pay rise was therefore only 1.9 per cent and well below the rate of inflation.
Pc Michael Ramsden, of Thames Valley Police, was one of the protestors. “I feel we have been lied to. We have no confidence in her at all,” he said.
The Police Federation announced today that it has applied for a judicial review of the decision by ministers not to emulate Scottish politicians and backdate the pay rise.
A spokesman for the body said that it filed the application yesterday after the Government went against the arbitration panel's recommendation.
The pay rise was introduced from last month rather than backdated to April, effectively reducing the award from 2.5 per cent to less than 2 per cent.
Today's rally was the first mass police protest since 2002 when 5,000 officers demonstrated against plans for more flexible pay and conditions.
The Police Federation, which has co-ordinated the protest, claimed that more than 18,000 officers were using their days off to pound the streets of Central London - while a further 150 were on duty to police their fellow officers.
Mick Powell, a West Midlands Federation Official, said: “Our message to the Home Secretary is that when you go through a binding agreement, you should stick to it.”
Political pressure was also growing on the Home Secretary with a cross-party group of MPs meeting demonstrators this morning.
Sir George Young, Conservative MP and former minister, insisted that if the Prime Minister had asked ex-home secretaries Charles Clarke or John Reid to reduce a police pay award they would have told him to “get lost”.
Tony Benn, a former Labour MP, joined the marchers, and said: “Seeing the police without their uniforms, you realise they are just part of the community like everyone else.
“They are going to win this. It’s clear that this is driven by Gordon Brown telling Jacqui Smith what to do.”
Jan Berry, chair of the Police Federation, said that the Federation would lobby for legislation to remove the Home Secretary’s ability to reject independent pay recommendations. She will meet Ms Smith this afternoon after handing a petition to 10 Downing Street.
“I do not remember having so much cross-party support on any other issue and that is because we are in the right,” said Ms Berry.
“But I find it very sad when the level of support is not making any difference.”
Police are banned from going on strike, but Federation members will be balloted next month on whether to campaign for the right to take industrial action in the future.
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One day of a police strike would send the right message to the government. The law against striking must be unlawful and victorian and goes against all rights of an individual.
MG, Northern Ireland,
This is not just about money, but also about whether you can trust the government to honour agreements. Now we know you cant!!
Chris Kenney, High Wycombe, Bucks
On a day when the Government have announced a £327M gift to feed fat people, it tickles me to read the different arguements. Members of the public stabbed and killed for intervening in public disorder on their own streets-and as seen yesterday, an Insurance Company and the CICB reducing the payout to the berieved family because the victim contributed to his own death by becoming involved.
Police Officers, whether on duty with their colleagues or off duty with their families are expected to intervene in such incidents, and are widely open to disciplinary action if they don't. They cannot and will not turn a blind eye, walk away or ignore it.
The anti-police say they are obsessed with Speed Cameras - Rubbish.They are now Council authority controlled, with all speed limits the responsibility of, and revenue generated payable to your local authoirity. NOT THE POLICE!
£327M to feet the over-fed! Your local MP earns 61k a year and 130K in expenses, and they can vote their own pay award
RC, LANCS,
All that is needed for the police to get the FULL payrise is for the armed officers guarding the High and Mighty (Brown and his ilk) is to hand in their firearms certificates.
It would frighten the life out of people like Hazel Blears when they knew they had to go into a Kebab house without an armed Copper.
If the government puts in place a pay board and the cops stick to its recommendation then so should Government. NOW the government cannot be trusted even to keep their protectors on side who can trust them ?
Howard, Basildon, England
Did the protesting police pay for their travel to London?
They don't usually pay to use public transport, but rarely declare this as a taxable benefit.
Chris Mullarkey, Leeds,
The police get paid far more than our troops and our infantry go through a hell of a lot more than the police! There is a 1 in 12 chance of death in the army. I think there should be a larger focus on pay for the infantry, the police get enough anyway
C, nottingham,
J Roberts, Manchester, UK, if you don't engage in CRIMINAL behaviour, you will NEVER get fined. If you've had one, you deserve it! You've got a chip on your shoulder - get over it!
James, Preston, UK
Police who wade in and sort out yobs, catch thieves, and risk their own lives for others demand our support and respect. Pay them the money as agreed.
Police who are well paid for filling out forms are lucky their jobs have not already been outsourced to India, and deserve no special treatment. Pay them whatever you can get away with.
I think the most powerful law is the law of unintended consequences By well meaning MPs). It's about time the country had a debate about what we expect from our Police and what needs to be done, or undone, to fulfil our expectations.
A.C. Harper, Leicester,
Give the Police the pay rate they deserve. About 12 thousand a year should cover it. Sorry plod but looking at the crime figures you don't have my sympathy.
Cromwell, Leeds, England
Recommendation 61 of the McPherson report was a big mistake resulting in less police intervention and more weapon carrying youths. Not just opinion, it is obvious. PACE has been shown to make the lives of front line officers so burdened with paperwork and restricting, thus rendering those officers almost powerless in comparison to other Police in Europe. And as well as all the above, the actual numbers of Police OFFICERS are far too low. Hence why you rarely get your calls answered. (Note the term used across the despatch box, is just "police" and that includes civilians) So how do you build up the numbers? With cheap and powerless PCSO's; most of whom are abused on a daily basis from those they are meant to "police" and are powerless to do anything. And what do some cynics do? Blame the police themselves.
How many of those attending today had not slept from a night shift?
Imagine how the Liverpool strike of 1919 will look in 2008?
We need them! I know, I am a prosecutor.
James, Birkhampstead, Buckinghamshire
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